I include the fact-choking under the "Comedic Interlude" section in this piece I published about us pulverizing the Overton Window, thanks in part to fearless truth warriors like you sharing our video so passionately:
Eye opening. Though at this stage of the game I don't really care if they "think" they're doing good.
I'm calling for a lot more than just a public debate. I'll never trust anything from that industry until there's a massive public reforms of pharma, academia and government.
I'm not surprised by this. They don't look at the data, because they already believe they are right and if they have an inkling that might be wrong, somewhere inside, it scares them, so they don't look at the data. Sad.
additionally, the studies are mostly worthless because their results are known to be pre-determined. I figure these scientists don't bother reading others' because they have turned in their OWN studies and already KNOW peer review does nothing to weed out falsities. It would be a waste of their time to bother to read. Not to mention the level of statistical theory required to truly understand whether a study uses good design and is able to disprove their NULL hypothesis, and, the use of false placebos(control variables).
Pro vaccination culture isn’t interested in anything but their own agenda; some for genocide, some for pure profit, some for superiority, some for control. We shouldn’t try to taint their viewpoints with real facts or studies.
The new digital culture doesn’t recognize people as “real humans”; in their minds, they are real, but humanity is invisible and dispensable. We are an impediment to their agendas.
Most or at least many are very uncomfortable speaking face to face with other humans. It is most convenient for them to communicate via text or email; some means that keeps the process impersonal.
If you listen to the video, it sounds like many “professionals” on “the other side” have been brainwashed, and don’t necessarily have evil intent. It sounds like there are those that also wonder why debate is not happening.
Devision is the real enemy. T.P.T.B. (the powers that be) have tried their best to cause devision between every single collective entity that exists, even trying to create devision between the vaxx-questioning-community itself.
“They” aren’t necessarily the enemy....they are uninformed, and there is no excuse for that, BUT as was stated so eloquently in the video, being arrogantly certain of one’s position won’t persuade anyone, on either side.
I am reminded of the tobacco industry (in which even Ministers in the UK Govt have worked). Everyone knows the truth now (after decades of industry and institutional lies) Smoking Caused Cancer - yet somehow people still work for these companies.
I smoke, it's informed consent. I object to being controlled by tax from smoking in my own home - hurts no-one.. Smoking pales into insignificance as a cause of harm compared to these vaccines.
Huge subject... I used to smoke. So pleased I don't now.
Most smokers are 'controlled' - by addiction - to nicotine. It affects every cell in the body, along with thousands of other poisons in tobacoo. And cancer, including lung cancer, is a horrid painful way to die - especially years before your time.
No, it's not the worse thing to do but high prices reduce availability, for especially youngsters. Smoking was 50% and is now 17% in UK and the tax goes towards funding our health service, which has to otherwise pick up the pieces of our free will. Same with alcohol.
Sometimes we need protecting from ourselves. Best wishes.
Madhava Setty is a good guy but he's too forgiving. just because goebbels and goring didn't drive people into the gas chambers themselves doesn't absolve them of mass murder.
He is reporting the objective facts as he sees them. Saying it is just a fact that most, in their hearts and minds, are convinced they are doing good and that vaccine hesitancy is causing loss of life.
They are wrong, but he is just telling us what he sees them believing.
I liked the tone of this interview, and agree that many proponents of the jab were well intended. However, it cannot be true that everyone involved in producing, promoting, and administering the shot is innocent. Many had to know something is off with these injections, and in order to rebuild trust in medical institutions, they must be held accountable.
CDC, FDA, NIH: most favorable interpretation possible is incompetence. On that basis, the gentlest action possible is to clean them out.
Pharma giants are a different issue altogether.
I admire his approach of finding the right questions to begin a meaningful dialogue. My challenge is to recognize that I don’t know exactly who innocently believed they were doing the right thing and who had criminal/ malicious intent, and should engage the topic with humility, but not with timidity.
It’s also a lesson for us all that silencing dissent is not good, especially when you are in a position of authority.
The one's with highest responsibilities in each organization RUNNING the projects to develop vaccines should be fully prosecuted with prejudice to make examples for the future. Not like the Nuremburg trials where most were given a pass.
I am think of some excruciating, long, bloody and PUBLIC executions held in all major cities that would be effective here. . . along the lines of the French Revolution but on steroids.
But not all believe what they are doing is correct. Andrew Hill illustrates that in the discussion with Tess Lawrie. My main gripe is that early treatment with safe medications was suppressed, which was clearly not innocent. For example in South Africa Hydroxychloroquine was removed from sale and destroyed so that it was not available even for malaria etc, same medication that was over-the-counter in France was banned.
Thank you for this revealing interview. The insights to the mindset of conference attendees is unsurprising. This mans overview, however, has the tone of an apologist for complacent ignorance. Professionals are responsible for their actions. That is the defining
Act of being professional. So please, no excuses for ‘we’ll meaning drs’. The interview served a slightly disingenuous function, addressing the persistent patronizing quandary of how to convince the hesitant by engagement. At times the motive was perplexing.
Well said! I'm so tired of "softies" like this Dr. Setty wanting "debate". Arrogant people don't want debate because they are arrogant to cover their ignorance. Repeat - "arrogant people are not compassionate". The damage is already done and more to come, no doubt. What is needed is a court of law where they will be found guilty of crimes against humanity.
Yes, Martha A. To excuse any of them, suggests they are merely ‘dr technicians’ or ‘academic technicians’. But even ‘technicians’ would be expected to ‘know’ about the product they administer or claim expertise in. The lives are gone, the damage done, these abominable technicians must be held to account even if they haven’t read up.
I now look at it as a fiat problem. Government prints lots of money and gives it too pharma, institutions thru grants. It is also an extraction of wealth as we wind up paying for sick care "vacincines" that they produce. They get stock options for producing for producing crap. More wealth tranfered upward to the meritocracy. Stop the money printing!!
I also watched part 2. Very telling, in that they merely shut down ANY and all debate other than their position that all vaccines are safe and effective. Yet, they freely admit they will never have a sterilizing vaccine, nor does this C19 vaccine stop transmission.
I'm still in shock that anyone is ok with even calling it a vaccine, when the very definition of a vaccine was always to stop infection and stop transmission. The only question was how much...so, I think the benchmark had to be over 50% to get any type of approvals.
But they just went ahead and changed the definition of a vaccine. So, we are dealing with a captured base of researchers and marketers, that haven't even read ANY of the science behind the JAB (I cannot call it what it isn't, sorry), they just parrot what they hear on the news. So, they are just as brainwashed as the sheeple that have blindly followed the media.
Ultimately, they seem to be deciding to follow a BEHAVIOUR MODIFICATION expert, in order to treat us anti-VAX, or vaccine-hesitant (Their words, not mine) as if we have a mental illness that they can treat with the right marketing strategy to bring us into their brainwashed state.
I can tell you, that I have researched and I believe that the supposed antivax people are more aware of the research studies than anyone at that conference. Those people are just there for the MONEY they will get paid to do the work that is being asked of them. This has NOTHING to do with what is genuinely good for society as a whole.
Yep, I recall seeing articles in the online papers instructing the sheeple on talking points how to deal with 'us conspiracy theorists'. They are trained sheep, still following their masters to slaughter. They will be the first ones they throw under the bus, when push comes to shove and the populace turns on them and throws them all in jail.
This interview goes to the point I just made on utobian's blog. These people are not all psychopaths! I get so tired of that term being bandied around, usually incorrectly. Most of these people are ignorant (willfully or not) and "drinking the koolaid" from the industry. The reality is that most people in the world are truly uninformed about much happening around them. The united media keeps it going.
Yes the people orchestrating the genocide are psychopaths. But many of these doctors etc are being fed a subversive narrative too and ignorant. It’s a shock to realise they don’t dig more deeply than their own sub genre
It is the Christian thing to do - to turn the other cheek - ask the assailant "why are you doing this, you are killing and maiming me - by an industry participant that only exists if it creates more diseases, conditions and sickness.
Note the other side did not engage in this way BEFORE rolling out the toxin. Note that the clinical trial results AND the post marketing authorization reports indicated higher mortality AND adverse events.
People have turned the other cheek for more than two years - turned the other cheek on those that engage in PRE-MEDITATED random homicide and battery assault.
The only thing preventing "an eye for an eye" is the good in people. In times gone by and even today in less westernized places, all those behaving this way would have been lynched and necklaced.
There will come a time when the good people react to the carnage inflicted even beyond "Proverbs 20:22. Say not thou, I will recompense evil — While we live in the world, we must expect to have injuries done us, affronts given, and much trouble wrongfully created to us. But we must not revenge ourselves; no, not so much as design or think of any such thing."
Thank you for alerting us to this, Jessica. I look forward to listening.
I was extremely proud to discover my video collaboration with Tess (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/mistakes-were-not-made-an-anthem-57a) has been fact-choked, and of course, they launched ludicrous ad hominem attacks at Tess.
I include the fact-choking under the "Comedic Interlude" section in this piece I published about us pulverizing the Overton Window, thanks in part to fearless truth warriors like you sharing our video so passionately:
• “Mistakes Were NOT Made: One Poem to Wake the World” (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/mistakes-were-not-made-one-poem-to)
That IS a great Poem, MAA. thanks.
🙏
Eye opening. Though at this stage of the game I don't really care if they "think" they're doing good.
I'm calling for a lot more than just a public debate. I'll never trust anything from that industry until there's a massive public reforms of pharma, academia and government.
Absolutely, our rational sensibilities have been played with long enough..
Absolutely wonderful . Thank you again for all your work .
I'm not surprised by this. They don't look at the data, because they already believe they are right and if they have an inkling that might be wrong, somewhere inside, it scares them, so they don't look at the data. Sad.
Kathleen, yes! Mrs S is right also.
additionally, the studies are mostly worthless because their results are known to be pre-determined. I figure these scientists don't bother reading others' because they have turned in their OWN studies and already KNOW peer review does nothing to weed out falsities. It would be a waste of their time to bother to read. Not to mention the level of statistical theory required to truly understand whether a study uses good design and is able to disprove their NULL hypothesis, and, the use of false placebos(control variables).
Yes, they remind me of the "good Germans" who believed the Jews were being "re-settled" in the East.
They believed it because it was convenient to do so. And because the aternative was too horrifying to think about.
TY Dr Jessica
Pro vaccination culture isn’t interested in anything but their own agenda; some for genocide, some for pure profit, some for superiority, some for control. We shouldn’t try to taint their viewpoints with real facts or studies.
The new digital culture doesn’t recognize people as “real humans”; in their minds, they are real, but humanity is invisible and dispensable. We are an impediment to their agendas.
Most or at least many are very uncomfortable speaking face to face with other humans. It is most convenient for them to communicate via text or email; some means that keeps the process impersonal.
Once again, I thank you. 🙏🙏
They ARE still real people - as some of them will discover in a court of law -hopefully.
Agreed
If you listen to the video, it sounds like many “professionals” on “the other side” have been brainwashed, and don’t necessarily have evil intent. It sounds like there are those that also wonder why debate is not happening.
Devision is the real enemy. T.P.T.B. (the powers that be) have tried their best to cause devision between every single collective entity that exists, even trying to create devision between the vaxx-questioning-community itself.
“They” aren’t necessarily the enemy....they are uninformed, and there is no excuse for that, BUT as was stated so eloquently in the video, being arrogantly certain of one’s position won’t persuade anyone, on either side.
I am reminded of the tobacco industry (in which even Ministers in the UK Govt have worked). Everyone knows the truth now (after decades of industry and institutional lies) Smoking Caused Cancer - yet somehow people still work for these companies.
Evil is just Evil I guess.
I smoke, it's informed consent. I object to being controlled by tax from smoking in my own home - hurts no-one.. Smoking pales into insignificance as a cause of harm compared to these vaccines.
Hi Anna, Good for you!
Huge subject... I used to smoke. So pleased I don't now.
Most smokers are 'controlled' - by addiction - to nicotine. It affects every cell in the body, along with thousands of other poisons in tobacoo. And cancer, including lung cancer, is a horrid painful way to die - especially years before your time.
No, it's not the worse thing to do but high prices reduce availability, for especially youngsters. Smoking was 50% and is now 17% in UK and the tax goes towards funding our health service, which has to otherwise pick up the pieces of our free will. Same with alcohol.
Sometimes we need protecting from ourselves. Best wishes.
Oops...thanks 🤓
Madhava Setty is a good guy but he's too forgiving. just because goebbels and goring didn't drive people into the gas chambers themselves doesn't absolve them of mass murder.
He's not giving them a pass.
He is reporting the objective facts as he sees them. Saying it is just a fact that most, in their hearts and minds, are convinced they are doing good and that vaccine hesitancy is causing loss of life.
They are wrong, but he is just telling us what he sees them believing.
I liked the tone of this interview, and agree that many proponents of the jab were well intended. However, it cannot be true that everyone involved in producing, promoting, and administering the shot is innocent. Many had to know something is off with these injections, and in order to rebuild trust in medical institutions, they must be held accountable.
CDC, FDA, NIH: most favorable interpretation possible is incompetence. On that basis, the gentlest action possible is to clean them out.
Pharma giants are a different issue altogether.
I admire his approach of finding the right questions to begin a meaningful dialogue. My challenge is to recognize that I don’t know exactly who innocently believed they were doing the right thing and who had criminal/ malicious intent, and should engage the topic with humility, but not with timidity.
It’s also a lesson for us all that silencing dissent is not good, especially when you are in a position of authority.
YES. Dead on.
The one's with highest responsibilities in each organization RUNNING the projects to develop vaccines should be fully prosecuted with prejudice to make examples for the future. Not like the Nuremburg trials where most were given a pass.
I am think of some excruciating, long, bloody and PUBLIC executions held in all major cities that would be effective here. . . along the lines of the French Revolution but on steroids.
Written narrative shared by Madhava Setty ~ https://open.substack.com/pub/madhavasetty/p/from-the-belly-of-the-beast?utm_source=direct&r=14opcj&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
But not all believe what they are doing is correct. Andrew Hill illustrates that in the discussion with Tess Lawrie. My main gripe is that early treatment with safe medications was suppressed, which was clearly not innocent. For example in South Africa Hydroxychloroquine was removed from sale and destroyed so that it was not available even for malaria etc, same medication that was over-the-counter in France was banned.
A collective unconsciousness group of people who believe they are doing the right thing.... Amazing video! Thanks Jessica.
I like your summation. But I do suggest that some are evil and knowingly put us in harms way.
Some undoubtedly are.... the video was a fascinating look into the world of the people who profit from this insanity.
Thank you for this revealing interview. The insights to the mindset of conference attendees is unsurprising. This mans overview, however, has the tone of an apologist for complacent ignorance. Professionals are responsible for their actions. That is the defining
Act of being professional. So please, no excuses for ‘we’ll meaning drs’. The interview served a slightly disingenuous function, addressing the persistent patronizing quandary of how to convince the hesitant by engagement. At times the motive was perplexing.
Well said! I'm so tired of "softies" like this Dr. Setty wanting "debate". Arrogant people don't want debate because they are arrogant to cover their ignorance. Repeat - "arrogant people are not compassionate". The damage is already done and more to come, no doubt. What is needed is a court of law where they will be found guilty of crimes against humanity.
A court of law where you have to mount a defense for your actions based on facts, not intentions.
Yes, Martha A. To excuse any of them, suggests they are merely ‘dr technicians’ or ‘academic technicians’. But even ‘technicians’ would be expected to ‘know’ about the product they administer or claim expertise in. The lives are gone, the damage done, these abominable technicians must be held to account even if they haven’t read up.
I now look at it as a fiat problem. Government prints lots of money and gives it too pharma, institutions thru grants. It is also an extraction of wealth as we wind up paying for sick care "vacincines" that they produce. They get stock options for producing for producing crap. More wealth tranfered upward to the meritocracy. Stop the money printing!!
I also watched part 2. Very telling, in that they merely shut down ANY and all debate other than their position that all vaccines are safe and effective. Yet, they freely admit they will never have a sterilizing vaccine, nor does this C19 vaccine stop transmission.
I'm still in shock that anyone is ok with even calling it a vaccine, when the very definition of a vaccine was always to stop infection and stop transmission. The only question was how much...so, I think the benchmark had to be over 50% to get any type of approvals.
But they just went ahead and changed the definition of a vaccine. So, we are dealing with a captured base of researchers and marketers, that haven't even read ANY of the science behind the JAB (I cannot call it what it isn't, sorry), they just parrot what they hear on the news. So, they are just as brainwashed as the sheeple that have blindly followed the media.
Ultimately, they seem to be deciding to follow a BEHAVIOUR MODIFICATION expert, in order to treat us anti-VAX, or vaccine-hesitant (Their words, not mine) as if we have a mental illness that they can treat with the right marketing strategy to bring us into their brainwashed state.
I can tell you, that I have researched and I believe that the supposed antivax people are more aware of the research studies than anyone at that conference. Those people are just there for the MONEY they will get paid to do the work that is being asked of them. This has NOTHING to do with what is genuinely good for society as a whole.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/meet-the-cranky-uncle-who-s-vaccinating-people-against-conspiracies-20230406-p5cyn3.html
Check this out if you will 🤔☺️
Yep, I recall seeing articles in the online papers instructing the sheeple on talking points how to deal with 'us conspiracy theorists'. They are trained sheep, still following their masters to slaughter. They will be the first ones they throw under the bus, when push comes to shove and the populace turns on them and throws them all in jail.
This interview goes to the point I just made on utobian's blog. These people are not all psychopaths! I get so tired of that term being bandied around, usually incorrectly. Most of these people are ignorant (willfully or not) and "drinking the koolaid" from the industry. The reality is that most people in the world are truly uninformed about much happening around them. The united media keeps it going.
Yes the people orchestrating the genocide are psychopaths. But many of these doctors etc are being fed a subversive narrative too and ignorant. It’s a shock to realise they don’t dig more deeply than their own sub genre
Makes one wonder what was going on in the first few years after the Reichstag fire incident in Pre ww2 Germany.
It is the Christian thing to do - to turn the other cheek - ask the assailant "why are you doing this, you are killing and maiming me - by an industry participant that only exists if it creates more diseases, conditions and sickness.
Note the other side did not engage in this way BEFORE rolling out the toxin. Note that the clinical trial results AND the post marketing authorization reports indicated higher mortality AND adverse events.
People have turned the other cheek for more than two years - turned the other cheek on those that engage in PRE-MEDITATED random homicide and battery assault.
The only thing preventing "an eye for an eye" is the good in people. In times gone by and even today in less westernized places, all those behaving this way would have been lynched and necklaced.
There will come a time when the good people react to the carnage inflicted even beyond "Proverbs 20:22. Say not thou, I will recompense evil — While we live in the world, we must expect to have injuries done us, affronts given, and much trouble wrongfully created to us. But we must not revenge ourselves; no, not so much as design or think of any such thing."
Persuasion vs force.
Same as it ever was.
Freedom requires persuasion, else it is force.
That is the acid test for good vs evil.
Well said!